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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. It's Chris Black. It's Jason Stewart coming live to you from beautiful Los Angeles, California, where it's a little bit overcast. Thank God the sun has been berating us for the last couple of days. Jason, how are you feeling? I'm feeling not bad. We got a little bit of an early pod. I'm sipping a Dean and DeLuca mug of my $80 Onyx coffee that you were nice enough to get for me. I haven't had a chance to really do a cupping session. Yeah, I know. I would like to be a part of that session when it does come to fruition. Chris, you have a front row seat right now. That's happening. Ready? Mm-hmm. Coffee? Yeah. What? Are you getting some notes of coffee? You know, it said on the package that there's bubble gum as a... The fuck? What the fuck? Bubble gum? You've got to be more specific. Are we talking Big League Chew? That's what I'm saying. Are we talking Trident? Double Mint? I've been on record saying that my palate for coffee is bad. So I'm really the wrong person to ask. I'm only a super taster as it pertains to food, not for the bean. I'm only a super taster when it comes to clothes, home furnishings, magazine. I could go on. I won't bore you with that. Just the gay stuff. You're a super gayster. Yeah, just the gay stuff.

Speaking of gay stuff, I started reading Ryan O'Connell's book last night. What's it called? Give him a shout-out. Ryan O'Connell's book? You want me to give our friend Ryan O'Connell a shout-out? Or are you just saying that because you don't know the name of the book and you're stalling so you can find it? Exactly what I'm doing. I don't have it right in front of me. The book is called Just By Looking At Him. What a classic. I mean, that's going to be, I mean, this is the next Call Me By Your Name, right? I haven't read a single page. No, exactly. That is the vibe. But out of the gate, it is just, we're talking. Don't tell me it's salacious. No, it's a little bit salacious, but it's definitely a page turner. I had an hour to kill last night. I made it through a handful of chapters. So it turns out O'Connell. He's done it again. He don't miss. He's done it again. Yeah, he's done it again. Yeah, I mean, he's going to be on TV a lot promoting his new television show. Well, it's not a new show, but his appearance on Queer as Folk. He'll be making the rounds. His book and the show come out at the same time. So we're about to be inundated with O'Connell. Uh, and you know what? I'm fine with it. How do I hitch my wagon to his trailer? How do I get some of that? I mean, cause I've known him for so long through you. I feel like it's time for me to start catching in some of these chips. I would say that you need to stop skipping glute day probably. Um, because I think if you had a little more of a bubble, but maybe you'd get a little more of attention. I don't think, um, you know, there's only, I talk about this a lot, you know, with like, we have, we have two dogs. One of them's getting older and it's kind of like, you know, At a certain point, the aging process is going to happen. You can take all the supplements, take all the Brazilian butt lift. You can do all the HIIT classes. You can do everything that a person can do. to make your ass juicier, but at a certain point, you know. No, I understand. Jason's lower back just extends all the way down to his knobby little knees, but, you know, that's okay. I don't know if I'm ever going to have a dumper. I don't think you are, but luckily you have other charming qualities that maybe could work, but they might not be physical attributes, you know, and we can look past that and maybe look inside, you know what I mean, for some more shirts. Yeah, what are those shirts that say, like,

I can lose the weight, but you'll be ugly forever. Yeah, that's your vibe. It's kind of like that, except I don't have an option. I can lose the weight, but I will have a flat ass forever. But also, you know, the type of ladies that I'm trying to attract in the world. I mean, I'm not trying to attract any ladies now, but... Well, we're not trying to attract ladies in this conversation. We're trying to attract men. That's why I'm suggesting... I don't think... I think maybe like on a 90s rom-com, women were like, damn, look at his ass. You know what I mean? But I don't think that's... Yeah, like he's got a cute butt. And that was back in the day when women tried to achieve a small butt. That's right. A different time. When is that going to come back on trend? Because as... all cyclical things do there has to be a time when the small cameron diaz butt comes back and having having a kim k ass is going to be niche niche at some point you're saying the wagon will get too heavy and it will be abandoned uh and and we'll have to return to a normal size on his little oregon trail yeah i got booty got dysentery damn this shit got dysentery she lost her whole butt it's crazy uh Yeah, that's a good point. But Ryan's book is – I think it's out soon. But, yeah, go pick it up. But we also – Oh, yeah, books. We got some – we got big plans tomorrow. I was chatting with – snail mail this morning oh really what's going on snail i was just tapping in lettering her know we'd be at the show and that we need to build and she said i want to build the tallest building in the world with you guys but unfortunately we have some covid protocols right now so we'll get you know we'll get to rock out thank god are we still going to be able to rock out i look i'm not sure i don't know how you're feeling but after after some shintaro what more do you want to do than kind of throw the horns up and bang the old head i'm with that Yeah, I mean, I think about the COVID protocol stuff so much where when all it takes is one little thing, like a tour is so fucked. Yeah, I know. I mean, I think it's mainly, look, you got to protect the star. Lindsay's the star. It's the queen bee. Yeah, Lindsay's the star. I understand it. And just in some other... If the drum tech's got to go back to Indianapolis, so be it. The drum tech took an Uber 45 minutes to go smash a chick he met on Bumble.

And he came back to the bus and he had a little sniffle in a couple days. Give him his walking papers. Yeah, you're getting replaced, Chief. Sorry, I could find somebody else to put the heads on. You know what I'm saying? Also, just breaking news, Harry Styles' Better Homes and Gardens cover just dropped. Yeah, we didn't need that. It's honestly pretty sick that he's big enough to be like... You know what? My album's called Harry's House, so let's get the cover of Better Homes and Gardens going, shot by Tim Walker. We can just get that going, guys. Let me know. I didn't even know Better Homes and Gardens was still happening. It's pretty cool that he did that. I think it's smart. I don't. I don't. I mean, the guy doesn't need to appeal to fucking moms anymore than he already does. Like, he just wakes up and he's already there. And I mean, what's the circulation of Better Homes and Gardens? That magazine is washed, bro. Every magazine circulation is not super high. Everything is about how it looks on Instagram, and it's a cover, so it looks good on Instagram. Give me a master class in marketing optics, Chris. Let's get into it. I mean, we don't have time because we do have a guest today, and you need to learn so much that this could be a full semester course load for you. I'm already out. I'll be sleeping in my car. I'll be at Taco Bell. They have the Mexican pizza came back. I'm all good. I heard that. I heard that they had the Mexican pizza come back. I've actually never had a Mexican pizza because I'm not a disgusting piece of garbage. But what is it? Don't say that, Chris. What does it come with? It's just like a tostada shell, flat. And then you can order it probably in different styles. I would always get it vegetarian, of course, because... eating meat from taco bell is a fool's errand even though i eat meat now like any fast food place it's just like what's give me the vegetarian option but that's it yeah really jason because i was at raising canes with you less than a week ago and you had that's not that's different bro i'm talking about that's fast casual no that's like a specialty regional thing like i'll eat in and out i'll eat raising canes you know like yeah okay like the you know taco bell that's just like you know that's like food that they feed animals you know it's like

Bird grade. That's right. That's right. But the beans are great, so you can get those. That's no problem. Yeah, I mean, it's just a crunchy tostado with some cheese, some beans, some sauce. You know, that's about it. And I used to eat the fuck out of those back when I ate at Taco Bell. Now. Taco Bell's disgusting. Yeah, you got too much money for that, Chief. You know what I'm saying? Jason said, nah, I can't. I choose sides. I choose Del Taco. We all know that. That's true. Yeah, you can't stop talking about Del Taco, even though they have never paid you a damn red scent. Not yet. You've learned nothing from me. I'm looking for a red and a green scent. That's a little sauce joke for our Del Taco listeners out there. You said I take it Christmas style. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, there you go. You spend some time in Santa Fe, haven't you? I've spent some time in the beautiful regions. I'm kind of fiending for a Santa Fe trip. Bro, I'm fiending. hard really yeah all this europe talk i'm like yeah that's cool bro but i would love a week in santa fe at the ojo caliente uh natural baths i'll talk to my man devin see if he knows uh about the semi-private pj we can get over there because you know santa fe that's what Hour-long flight over to Albuquerque. Well, I just love landing at the beautiful Albuquerque Sunport, one of the best airports in the country that we've spoken about on this podcast. What's the difference between an airport and a sunport? I think this one gets more sun than air. It's a little stuffy in there. It gets a little stuffy. I mean, I knew the answer was going to be rudimentary, but I didn't know it was going to be that rudimentary. Very nice. Sometimes, Jason, you have to think stupid. Keep it simple, stupid. All right, so we do have a guest today. You know him by his stage name, Toro y Moi. He has been making beautiful music for quite a long time and somehow lived through and made it out successfully of the indie sleaze era. You know, his name, his real name is Chaz Bear, which I found out he changed his last name to Bear after getting LASIK surgery because he didn't feel like a Budnick anymore. His real last name. That I did not know. I'm considering. So I'm going to ask you about it, but I'm considering that for myself. Do I need a name change now because of my LASIK? Absolutely. I think you need to go back to your original given name that your dad was going to give you, Lamar Black.

Okay, I'm going to talk to the... Lamb, lamb, lamby. Don't do Chloe voice and call me lamby. Lamby. So Chaz is going to join us. Did you cheat on me again, lamby? He has a new... Do you even play basketball or do you just travel to fuck bitches? Also, Chaz, his house music side project, Lessons. one of my fans this motherfucker's got hella output you know what i mean he's also from the south he's from columbia south carolina He's adopted the Bay Area, the Ye area as his home. He's adapted and adopted. Both things. His new album, Mahal, is out April 29th, actually, this Friday, on Dead Oceans, our family over there. Check it out on Spotify. Dead Oceans. Check it out on Apple Music. Maybe Bandcamp, if you're a fucking loser who's lining up for 7 inches at Record Store Day. Come on! No, I'm kidding. I love vinyl. All right, so let's... Let's head to the Ye area, give Big Chaz a jingle, and find out what's going on in Tori O.E. Moi world. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, so do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly, a website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools. So those future graduates can find me and, you know, I'm able to accept, quote unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new, you know, 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. You know, show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early and we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional.

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But I'm happy to be here. The weather's a little nicer. I know that you're from... the south like me yeah i'm from south carolina and i love i'm a big south carolina fan actually it's an underrated state yeah i mean i think charl i think charleston's one of the prettiest cities in the world maybe pretty awesome yeah columbia so did you did you have to escape or or were you like it's it's just time to go like what was your because that columbia is a little sleepy you know what i'm saying yeah it's a small college town um I didn't have to escape, but I think I just needed a little bit more stimulation. So, yeah, headed out west. And you went straight to the Bay Area, or did you bop around a little bit? I went straight to the Bay Area, but that was after, like, a couple years of, like, just touring and just sort of seeing what other cities are like, because I didn't get to really see other cities until tour. So that was around 23. 23 years old so like i you had to choose so what what was your top what was your top three because i'm saying san francisco doesn't make my top 20 so i'm interested in i'm interested in how that how that made your number one and what else i think i think he's more in oakland which is a lot different right yeah that's true yeah it's a little different um but to be fair yeah i went out there my my partner she went had grad school so we did the grad school thing and then stayed after she finished and i ended up liking it jason and i both uh did grad school in new york so it's kind of you know we followed each other to la as well i get oh nice that's not true my grad school was in san francisco doing graffiti and uh cocaine yeah yeah I unfortunately didn't make it to grad school either, but I like that your partner is highly educated. Yeah, same. I think that's a very attractive quality when you're maybe not as highly educated, but very successful in your own right. Chaz is no slouch. He hits the books, right? I do the audiobooks. Okay, okay. Chaz says, bro, I like to lock into the beats and get read, too. You know what I mean? It's a little different. But that's smart. Do you devour the audiobooks on the road, or do you do it at home, too? Yeah, both. At all times, taking a crap, anything, walking the dogs. It's just great. So it's better than a podcast, perhaps. Is that what you're saying? Is that what you're saying?

I'm not a podcast guy. I don't really have too many podcasts. Must be fucking nice. Throw me the bone, man. I illegally downloaded your MP3s. The least you could do is play my podcast, man. I mean, I might start listening. Yeah, I just don't know what's out there. I only know about podcasts. from like people listening to them on tour. Yeah. What are you listening to? That makes sense. Yeah. And you don't want to listen to the same podcast as your guitar tech. You know what I mean? You got to kind of keep some separation between church. You don't have too much in common with that. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. Or go. I understand what you're saying because I feel like I think there's also a perceived value to an audio book versus a podcast. You know what I mean? It feels like something different and maybe more worthwhile. Because you pumping four hours of Rogan before soundcheck in Toledo isn't going to serve you quite as well as the Malcolm Gladwell audio book. A little bit more nutrition on the road. Yeah, yeah. Mental nutrition. Okay, I'm with that. He's not working out just his body, Jason. He also works out his mind. It's something that you could kind of learn from. No, no, no. I'm the opposite. I only work out my mind. Yeah, I can tell. My body is doing pretty bad. I can tell. Yeah, what is the – Chaz, if you're – so you're exercising your mind on the road. You strike me as – I'm just guessing here, but you strike me as a little bit of a foodie. Is that true? want to be a foodie but i don't know where all the good spots are but i you gotta check out yelp man it rocks i've got taste i've got taste literally and literally and figuratively so so if you're so is is your is your road routine are you are you eating pretty healthy are you hitting chick-fil-a drive-thru oh god no somewhere in between no my body can't handle that kind of fast food on the road it's just too uh you can't take a shit After a day or so. More of a Panda Express guy? Exactly. Yeah, I'm with it. So the chef keeps everything kind of vegan for you then? Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. I've noticed it seems that shitting is a priority for you, Chaz. You've called it out a couple times. I can't stop thinking about it. I just got done. But it's my favorite part of the day. Yeah, really.

determines if you're going to have a good day or a bad day. I wonder if there's a name for that type of, I don't know. I mean, I guess it's a behavior or an activity or something like that where you highly prioritize your movements. Yeah. I know a lot of people who are like that, who it's like a big deal for them. Yeah. I have a friend of mine who has to take all of his clothes off. He has to be nude when he does it. I know that. I feel like you might have a little bit of that in you too, Chaz. I can keep the clothes on. The dickies stay on. I know people like that that just go full nude for the crap. It's not me, but I can see why. It's a good thing that you don't have to go full nude, especially when you're on that Southwest flight. It's tough. That seems complicated. I'm sure the bus is quite spacious, and you definitely have turned the back lounge into your master suite. Uh, but that's still, that's still a little bit uncomfortable for everybody. Well, what is the, if that's the case, then it sounds like you're, you, you are fairly concerned with what you're putting into your body then. Yes, you have to be. Cause, uh, it'll affect just everything. If your sleep gets messed up and the whole tour is kind of messed up. So yeah, I realized being on the roads, you have to sort of. Think about it like an athlete on the road. There we go. Yeah, you can't afford to get sick. Yeah. All right, so you finish the show. You and your bass player kind of head to the strip club. You get a bottle of Patron, and you're out until bus call at 4 a.m. at the Ritz. It sounds like a pretty cool – Just one bottle this time, Josh. Just one bottle. It sounds like you are treating yourself like an athlete. What is your supplement intake looking like? I got my men's daily. You know, I do a little 5-HTP. 5-HTP? Is that when you're off the Molly water? Yeah. It's all good. It's a safe space. No, dude. 5-HTP is great for just antidepressants. Oh, really? Yes. Get those neurotransmitters. That's right. Okay, okay. I'm not that woo-woo, but I'm down to get woo-woo. Yeah, I'm with you.

You know, if someone's like, hey, here's a bunch of woo-woo shit, you're like, all right, let's do it. Let's go. Yeah, sure. You won't turn your nose up at it. But, yeah, I would love to get to the point where it's just like, you know, we have some sort of, like, nutritional guru on the road with us, but it's not that. But most of us are healthy eaters, and there's only a few people that are, like, going hard on meals every day. They won't be here for the next tour. Yeah, well. What's funny is the only thing to do is eat on tour. That's your one activity for the day of like, where are we going? Yeah, that's the only option you really have. It's just like, well, how? That's true, yeah. Besides vintage shopping, and I heard that you did have Maroon 5's yoga instructor with you for this tour, so you're able to kind of get that in, obviously, in every city. But otherwise, it's just like, where's the Whole Foods at, Chief? Pretty much. surviving off Whole Foods. I wish people knew how boring tour was. It gets there. Because it really is a snooze. And then every night, luckily, because you're the star, you get rewarded with rounds of applause and admiration from a giant sold-out crowd. But think about your merch guy, man. He must be going through. I know they're usually... slammed with people the whole night, every night. Oh, okay, okay. Oh, I see, I see. They're very busy because you're about your... Well, the merch game is so sick that those guys don't really have a moment to catch their breath. Yeah, that's true. That's true. But also, they have the boots on the ground. They get to talk to everyone. Somebody hand them a little doobie or something like that. They're doing just fine. I feel like merch guys or gals are low-key getting the most digits and maybe the most action on the road. They are. They totally are. Yeah, like Jason said, they're at one with the people. Yeah. Those days are over for me, hanging out at the merch table. I noticed that the bigger the venue gets, the further you are from the people and the merch. It started off with just planned shows, and then it was just me. I would just go to the merch table and sell some merch, and then it would be like, oh, go hang out with the merch person and just sign some stuff. And then it was like, oh, go see people after the show. And then it's like, you can't even get to the merch table from wherever. That's right, baby. Whatever room it is. And it's just like, well, I guess.

It's just by design. Do you like that, though, Chaz? Not necessarily. Chris, like, we've done tours. Well, we've done a tour and we do live shows. And I'm kind of like, you know, let's go press the flesh with the people. They're nice enough to spend too much money. Ticketmaster took all their shit. You know, the least we could do is go shake a hand, kiss a baby. Right. And Chris is a little more, I need to go straight from the stage to the PJ to the hotel. If a fan wants to give you a hug or take a photo, you know, he's giving you the peace sign reverse like the British. No, that's not true. Spitting on a paparazzi camera, kicking a dog. So where do you land on that spectrum, Chaz? It depends on how big the room is. You know, if it's a room with no green room, then I'm hanging with the people. But if there's a green room, you know, I might be hanging out. When's the last time you played a show that didn't have a green room? Oh, man. One of your corporates? Yeah, the Walmart shareholders meeting? Yeah. Seriously, yeah. We've got some place where it's just like, where do I hang? Like, actually, yeah. We just threw a pop-up at Braindead here in L.A. There's no real green room or anything. We're just hanging out at their store. Yeah, did you get some creeps coming up to you trying to get you to sign some titties and stuff, or was it pretty normal? Sign my magic card? Yeah. No, but yeah, I think. My Toro fans are chill. Yeah, your fans are all chill. Everyone I know who's a Toro stan is just like a nice, well-behaved person. Yeah, that's a good point. You've cultivated – we cannot relate in that way, but you've cultivated a very nice – Yeah, and in terms of the demographic being high levels of cuties and sweeties, you were really high up there. Appreciate it. Like every person at a Toro show, I'd be like, hey, can you watch my cat? They'd be like, yeah, man. I'll do it for free. I'll pay you. And I'll be able to rest assured that that cat will be loved. Yeah, that's a nice thing to inspire in people. We don't really have that same thing. They could probably also recommend me a great little natural orange. Yeah, definitely a natural wine crowd. Oh, I have a natural orange in the fridge right now. That's my jam. There we go. I bet. I bet. So what's up with that part-time, that bar part-time up in San Francisco? Yeah. Everyone's been talking about it lately. That's like the spot, right? It is. Yeah, it's my friend's bar, Jeremy Costillo.

And, uh, AKA DJ dad bod. He's, uh, doing it, doing it right. So what's the, I'm, I'm, I've heard of this, but I'm not familiar with the, with the trappings. Is it a natural wine establishment? It's a natural wine bar with a straight up dance club in the back. And you never think wine and clubbing would go, but man, people go, go for it. Oh, you don't know anything about me. Okay. Well, you know, cocaine goes very well with burgundies. Kind of old, older vine stuff. Cocaine and burgundies. That's a good point, Jason. Jason, I think you should pitch a story about kind of the cocaine and wine pairings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good idea. Yeah, I mean, goat cheese, anyone can pair that with a nice burgundy. We're talking, you know, is it from Bolivia? Is it from Colombia? Where is it coming through in Mexico? But, I mean, clubbing and wine, it goes together well, but I think that the wine aspect will dictate. the genre and bpm of the music or am i false about that are they playing 140 bpm techno or is it just like yeah breezy shit no they're going full club like 130 so like they're pumping it interesting like i i'm used to you know chilling with wine not yeah getting down not taking your shirt off Yeah, man, I do think – I don't know. There's something – maybe it's just this natural wine movement that's really just – No, I would love to give it a try. I'm down. I need to ask a quick question about this because traditionally wine is served in a glass that is – slightly more delicate than a cocktail. That's a good question. So I'm wondering, is the wine poured into kind of a highball or a different sort of glass that doesn't have a stem? And it's probably when you get a wine by the pool and it's in the plastic tumbler. They are doing full wine glasses, like nice wine glasses. And I must have seen, you know, it's a club. So I must have seen at least like three glasses break that night. And I was talking to Jeremy. I was like, dude, like you guys have custom glasses and shit. How many are you? He's like, yeah, we have to buy glasses all the time. I think I appreciate the commitment to that because that makes it a lot cooler. Yeah, that is a lot cooler. But also...

You know, I feel like up in San Francisco, you know, the house music crowd, it can lean a little crunchy, a little Burning Man-y. Yeah, a lot of bricks in the club. This could be a barefoot crowd a little bit, so I'm just worried about the broken glass on the floor. I hope everyone's being safe. That's a good point. It's close. There are a lot of open toes in the Bay, you know. So that's why you moved there, you little freak. Yeah, he said the Teva collaboration coming soon. Have you been to Burning Man, Chaz? No, I haven't mustered up the courage yet, but it's a little intimidating. I'm not there yet. Yeah, I kind of want to go at some point before I expire or the world ends, but when it comes down to doing it, it's just like, eh. I went to my first Coachella on Friday, Chaz. Nice. And I'm 39 years old. And we just went down for the day and came back late night because I wanted to see Harold Stylish headline. Nice. And he didn't go on until a little bit later. But, you know, you're a festival veteran, I feel like. Yeah, how many Coachellas have you played? I've played one as Toro and two sort of guest features. Like, actually, this weekend I guest featured with Flume. Oh, okay. I was there. Damn, okay, big dog. You were up there with Flume? Damn, Flume brought you out? Flume brought a lot of people out, right? Yeah, he brought a nice posse out. Who else was in Flume's girl gang? I think OK Lou, Polachek has a song. I forgot who else. Yeah, Polachek, Chilling. All the guests for Flume were just chilling in the same trailer. It was Damon Albarn, me, Caroline, Vince Staples. I was just like, what the hell? This is so insane. You got a song with Damon coming then? Did you do your thing? Or what was the vibe? Oh, no. I mean, we just chatted. But, like, it was inspiring. Honestly, like, it's so sick to just meet older artists who have been in the game for a long time and still are killing it. I mean, I don't like gorillas, really, but it's very impressive. Like, the whole thing is impressive.

Being relevant for 40 years is very tough to do. That, yeah. And also, I mean, gorillas, I'm not the biggest gorillas fan, but I think they're not bad. I respect them. More of a blur guy, right? It's good, yeah. I can see why people like it. It's cute for you. Yeah. The gorillas are cute for you. Yeah, that's fine. Well, I like how they just did the animation thing. You mean how they invented NFTs? Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty cool how they did invent NFTs. So where did Flume, which tent were you in? We were on the main stage. Oh, shit. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to allow you to stunt on me like that. Okay, Chad, did you get to build with Brazil's Anita with two Ts? Another main stage act. Oh, I didn't meet them, no. Have you witnessed her live performance? I'm not familiar with that artist, no. I'll say give it a shot, Chaz. Okay. The things that she can do with her rear end, something special. Check it out. Great stage presence. Yeah, check it out. It's kind of like ballet funk kind of vibe. It's good. Okay. What did you get to see? Sorry. I was going to say Megan Thee Stallion. I watched a few songs of hers. That was... Awesome. Speaking of ass, you also got to see me again. That reminds me. That was the thing that we've been talking about since we've been there. Everyone has been away from concerts for the last couple of years, obviously. I think there's sort of a return for the appreciation of just the showmanship or showpersonship of a live concert. Even if I don't like this artist that much, You know, like you and I are probably don't listen to Megan Thee Stallion every day. But if you get a chance to see the show and the full production and the lights and the dancers, you're like, sure, this is really cool. For sure. Yeah. I experienced that for the first time since I was probably a teenager. It's interesting. You know, like you can only assume that most people there are in that same mindset. Like a lot of people probably seen Megan Thee Stallion for the first time, too. It's really cool to just see like professional pop acts do their thing because.

It's a different type of art form when there's all of this infrastructure behind a certain artist. It's just like a different... It's like a whole other energy. There's so many more moving pieces and so much more riding on it and so much more... Perfection is kind of the only option on that level. Yeah, the respect. Which is cool to see. You just gain so much respect for them as artists. Does it make you feel like a lazy ass for your little shows when you watch something like that? Oh, yeah, yeah. Pretty much, yeah. He's like, damn, I should start tuning my guitar in between songs. It probably makes it sound good. Damn, hold on. You're saying you got multiple guitars and somebody brings it to you and it's a different tuning? This is crazy, dude. Well, I mean, everyone has a different style. Like we saw Phoebe Bridgers and she kind of does some more quieter kind of ballad and slow emo vibes. And in between songs, she's just kind of like, hey. Which is kind of like the antithesis of showmanship, stereotypically speaking, but that works for her crowd and her demographic. So I'm sure you're kind of somewhere in that same boat or somewhere in the middle where you're not just like, what the fuck is up, Denver? And you're more like, hey guys, what's up? I'm a little cutie. We're going to have a fun, cute time. It's going to be sick. Yeah, I keep it low on the stage banter. I feel like I should just be quiet and just play some songs. don't know man i don't know i think you got the banter in you but nothing worse than too much banter you know i we saw spiritualize twice last week and he doesn't say a single word yeah and i gotta say i loved it I was like, this guy's not trying to be clever. He doesn't think he's fucking Marc Maron. He's just kind of like... It almost feels transactional. Yeah, yeah. It's like a prostitute. You know what I mean? It felt very transactional. They know when it's time to leave. I think if you're a quote-unquote legend, you can do that and people will be okay with it. But if you're not, people get upset if you don't acknowledge them. Yeah, as long as you're not a dick, you know?

But just, I think, you know, even though I don't talk as much, I smile, wave, give high fives, whatever. I try to interact. I am able to smile, actually. You do a lot of great nonverbal communication in what you're saying. Exactly. Bright colors, things like that. Oh, for Tori Moua, we don't need the sign language guy. He's kind of got that covered. Somehow he can do it while he plays. It's all good. uh then now when you do something like that and you get all hyped up and you go out there and there's like a shitload of people are you a little bit like damn bro i only get i only got to do one song like i'm do you have to change clothes for that like what is the you know what i mean right weird it's so weird yeah i i thought all those things like i it was short and sweet and i was like it was seriously like the biggest crowd i've ever performed in front of like that's what i was just gonna and it was for two and a half You're like, Dan, this is pretty sick, bro. Can we maybe do a few more? Two and a half minutes and most of those two and a half minutes were sick drops and less of you harmonizing, I'm assuming. I mean, it was like 50,000 people. It was like... A scary ocean of people. It caught me off guard. Yeah, that's a lot of fucking people. I mean, that's pretty intimidating. What do you do to come down after that high? Oh, man. I don't know. Just smoke a joint or something. Or do you just never come down? Well, honestly, it's funny. My friend actually videotaped the whole thing, but I literally just walked off the stage into the crowd. And just, like, started watching the show. Oh, sick. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. That's very cool. So, yeah, it was cool. It was very humbling to just, like, get off the stage and be in the audience. And, like, we immediately just, like, yeah, like, everyone's wearing dust covers and masks anyways. So, like, no one bothered me. But I think that's the cool part about Coachella. It's so big that... Even the artist can roam around without feeling like, you know, you're going to get bombarded or something. Obviously, if you're a podcaster, you kind of get bombarded. You can't really go out into the GA area. Yeah, we were watching Harry. Even in the large artist section, it was kind of tough for us to get a moment to ourselves.

Even over the music. But luckily, we had security with this because we kind of knew this was going to happen. Speaking of Flu May and Sick Ass EDM Drops, do you have any plans of making any more kind of irreverent 2014 house music with Lessons? Because that was some of my favorite shit. I used to DJ that shit all the time. I love it. Still do. Nice. Yeah, man. I got some stuff in there. in the chamber oh okay okay he got the mpc out he's ready to cook it's ready i just gotta you know finish wrap some things up and I think I might have something. Cross some T's, dot some I's. Send me some demos. I'll take a look at them. Yeah, Jason's looking to do a classic Them Jeans drum edit of some of your new stuff. I know you probably have a remix package coming with actual celebrity DJs and stuff. That would be a mistake. Yeah, Jason's feasting in the underground, as he likes to say. Yeah, I'm trying to stay away from remixing this album because it's so rock. And, like, I never was a fan of, like, remixes that weren't electronic to begin with. I just, like, I don't know. This is weird. I don't know what it is. No, that makes sense. So you're talking about the new Toro Imua record. Because it's so rocky, you feel like it's not going to work out for a DJ. You don't want to hear the Justice, Franz Ferdinand-style remix of this album? I mean, the Soul Wax version of... Team Impala, I mean, I feel like something like that could work out, right? Yeah, I mean, that would work great. I'll get soul wax on the horn. Who do you have for A&R? Fire them. They're not doing their job, sweetie. So you just think it's a little bit of a stretch when it's like a full-on rock album? Yeah, especially if the drums aren't electronic to begin with. It's like, I don't know if I needed this. It feels like hearing a remix of... It feels like someone's sampling the song or something, you know? Like, if you hear, like, someone sampling, I don't know, Elvis Presley, and there's, like, this, like, breakbeat behind it, and you're like, it's, like, for a Las Vegas ad or something. I don't know. You're like, why? Just why? Every album has that one song.

that i always feel like is dying for a dance music remix well jason's a big z trip guy so that's kind of why don't do that chris yeah he's he's kind of like that he's hearing a led zeppelin style song with a breakbeat behind it i don't know that's the only dj that chris knows so if you want to know how old he is Yeah, that's right. That's right. I'm sorry. Yeah, Africa Bambada and Z Trip are kind of where my head goes. Well, speaking of the music biz, Chaz, on this podcast a lot of times we do a thing called Sync Talk where we kind of talk about not syncs that water comes out of, but licensing deals, commercial song placements, things like that. Nice. It can either be an amazing story or a horror story of like, you know, I was going to get, $500,000 for this KFC commercial, but my drummer fucked it up or whatever it might be. Or like, yeah, I just made a huge bag off of this Wheaties spot or whatever it is. And then, you know, also since you're a Silicon Valley based artist, you know, any of the, you know, slack team building after a party at the rock climbing wall, something like that, where you just get that nice little rock climbing bag, you know, whatever it could be. You know, I'm always down at the touchstone. Yeah. And we need to have kind of the dollar amounts and things like that as well. Basically, we're asking, how did you get your 2024 Porsche? How did you pay for it? And if you don't want to brag, talk about one of your recent failures. You want to kind of keep it modest. Yeah, I've never really given this any kind of thought because I'm always just like. Well, as long as it happens, that's good. So you always just say yes to every... No, there's a dollar amount, I think, that's enticing. But you got to think about just who's using who. There are some cool points and cachet involved. And so sometimes people tend to lowball you. So you're just kind of like, I don't know, actually. Maybe I shouldn't do this.

Stevia commercial. Stevia commercial. Yeah, it's the most random shit you get. Like, I did something for Thorn Vitamins or something like that. Thorn Vitamins, okay. Is it, like, some startup shit? I think they're a common multivitamin company. I thought you said they're merely a men's daily. It's Thorn with an E at the end. So they come to you, and they're like, what, did they want a song that you expect them to want, or are they, like, digging in the crates? Oh, no, yeah. They're just going through the archives, kind of, and just, like, Can we use this song? And you're like, hmm, depends. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I remember they paid nice. It was cool. It was actually like... You felt good about that transaction. Yeah. Shout out to Thorne. Promo code CHAZ at checkout, 20% off. Yeah. I'm trying to think what else there is. I think someone just saw a commercial with a song on there. It was on TV. I can't even remember. This guy's got so many things, you can't even keep up on them. Yeah, this guy. Honestly, I feel like you know that photo of Diddy who's sitting courtside and he's counting all of his money and then he spots a $1 bill in his wad and he's shocked. He's like, what the fuck is this? You're like, damn, I did that commercial. Damn, where's that check at? You call your manager right after you go to the phone and you're like, bro, remember that Nissan shit we did? I know what it is. I just found it. It's in my text. It was a Hotels.com commercial, which is so random, right? Nice, nice, nice. No, I like that. So it's stuff like that. There's syncs everywhere. It's not always movies and whatever. And have you ever been asked to create music for something from scratch? Yeah. Usually that stuff's for free, like on spec, or they'll pay you and not use it. Demo fee. Yeah. That's my favorite. I love getting paid. But that's the kind of shit that you probably don't really do anymore now that you... are financially able to not have to do that shit? Or do you still do it? Oh, I do. I just end up using the songs for something else if they don't. Oh, that's what I call sustainability. Yeah, that's it. No greenwashing over here. No, no, yeah. Everything is good over here. I mean, I feel like you're a guy who has a lot of songs on hard drives. You know what I mean? You got a lot of music in the can. You strike me as a demo god. Yeah, I think two-thirds of my stuff comes out. I try to finish all the demos.

What's sad I noticed ever since, like, working on a computer and stuff is, like, the demos, I don't save as. I just keep saving the sessions. So, like, the demos eventually just turn to the final session. Oh, I see. I kind of miss just demos and just not refining a four-track cassette. But you just start a new one and do it better. Ableton makes it too easy. You can't not, you know? Yeah. Well, actually, I'm a Reason guy, which is shocking. Jason, you're a reason guy. Do you have any slander for this, Jason? It feels like you do. Let me pick my job off the floor. I didn't know we got burial on the Zoom. Can you explain to a layman like myself the difference between Reason and Ableton and why someone of your stature seems to be using the off-brand? Reason is a little older. It was kind of like the proto-Ableton in a lot of ways. It was. It was in between Fruity Loops and Cubase. It was before Ableton. It's for those who are hardware-minded. and used to patching wires and using an actual mixing console. Oh, I see. So you're basically saying this is for people who know what they're doing more, and Ableton is for broke boys like Jason. No, you could buy – I mean, back in the day, you could buy Reason at Best Buy. It was kind of – it was definitely a consumer product, but it had the professional capabilities where you can go in and plug shit in. Yeah, I would just say if you're used to hardware, Reason is more intuitive because you can literally press tab, the interface back over, and you just see a bunch of wires. So if you want to patch something strange or sidechain something weird, you can do that. Ableton, it's kind of more just like a... You can also hit tab to toggle between on Ableton. I didn't know that. I don't want to split hairs. It doesn't have the fun, the physically going in and moving the digital wires around. It's more of just like... track view and like right okay yeah it's uh i love the sounds people are getting out of ableton so you still use reason for everything yeah i i swear by it that's how i know you've been in the game for a minute you know i i but i kind of i kind of get that because it's like bro if this works for me i don't want to relearn some shit

at 35 when I kind of got my program dialed. But do you bounce out of there and then finish in Pro Tools or anything like that? Really? But yeah, I bounce stuff out usually for mixing. And then my guy, Pat Jones, he usually mixes stuff. He actually uses Cubase. Shout out to Pat. Shout out to Pat Jones. What the fuck? Yeah, dude. Turns out no one's using Ableton. So you're making the music on Reason mixing in Cubase. I feel like I'm in 2003 all over again. Do you have an Alienware PC you do all this on? Or is this at least on a Mac? Like, what are we doing here, dude? Yeah. Are you wearing a Nautica t-shirt while you're doing this? Yeah, I'm wearing Fat Farm as well. You're wearing Fat Farm? This is some Honda Civic activities. You know that, Chas? Do you exclusively play the John Mayer signature Paul Reed Smith, or do you use kind of a cooler guitar? Yeah, I prefer the Trey Anastasio. Okay, that's smart. That's cool. I like that. Yeah, I like that. I didn't know. I think that minimal gear, I feel like the gearhead stuff can get just too complicated. I don't know. It seems overwhelming to me when I see people with rooms and rooms full of stuff to use. Well, studios, I realize once you get to a certain level of whatever pro musician, other people are inviting you to studios and you're doing most of the work in there, you don't need to do too much to your home studio or your setup. Because most of the time, we'll be just working in a pro studio eventually, or hopefully. So once I realized, like, okay, well, maybe I don't need to get all this shit to record drums, because, like, it's really just quicker for me to just go to the studio and just do it with a pro who knows what they're doing. So I've sort of, yeah, learned to just take a step back and just save myself the time and energy of setting up. You work hard to have the privilege to be able to use these amazing studios, so why not just use them? Chaz, speaking of keeping a beat in rhythm, let's talk the differences between touring as a DJ, touring as a live band. What are the pros and cons there for you? Well, touring as a DJ... Aside from getting to keep all the money and not doing any of the work? Right.

You get pampered a lot more, honestly. I guess there's less overhead for the promoters and whatnot, so they take you to dinners and stuff. Those dinners suck, though. Sometimes, sometimes. Unless you like hanging out with club promoters. Well, I guess it depends on where you're playing, of course. Totally, totally. No shade to promoters. I appreciate those dinners. I'll shade them. Hey, I'm a promoter. I can do it. Nothing better than getting picked up at the airport in someone's baby mama Mercedes and going to a sushi dinner where they offer you drugs that you're not that interested in doing but you're considering because you don't want to hang out with them anymore. That's the vibe that Jason's always described to me. Do I seem like an ultra lounge kind of guy? I guess the answer is yes. Yeah, the answer is yes. But Tori, with a band, at this point, you got all the help and shit. So you kind of, you rock out on the stage, you do your sound check, and then you play, and then you get back in the bus and you're off. It's not, you know, you're not lugging the Ampeg down six flights. And I mean, even actually these days, we've, for Toro, the band, we've gone completely Ampless. What? D.I.? Yeah, I was inspired. I saw King Crimson play like five years ago. Okay. And these old dudes were like being progressive and not. you know they weren't using amps and i was like holy shit this is genius it was before even seeing you know a contemporary band like they just didn't even have dummy amps they were just straight di oh i love it i love a beautiful wall of orange dummy calves that's one of my favorite that's kind of i'm working on installation like that for my house but my girlfriend doesn't really get it i don't know what the you know she's just kind of pushing back a little bit but the you're saying to me that you you travel you you Ampless, and is this a trend that I haven't picked up on? It's a trend that I'm trying to start. Okay, I understand. So Chaz is at the forefront of the Ampless movement. You're the godfather of directing. No, no. King Crimson is. King Crimson is. Okay. This is your Phil Spector wall of sound. This is your contribution to the history of music. It's ampless performances. I mean, King Crimson, I'm telling you, they gave me the idea. So I'm carrying the tradition. Look, nobody listening to this knows who King Crimson is. The three of us know who King Crimson is and maybe five to ten listeners in the over 50 age bracket that we touch on. And I respect that.

I respect them, and I think they're great, but I think you could kind of be the face of this thing because you're a little younger and hotter. You know what I mean? Word. I'll take it. They lit the fire. You can throw some gas on it, Chaz. For sure, yeah, man. We do marketing kind of over here, so I'm just thinking about it kind of that way. You know what I mean? This could be a thing for you. Who's your DI sponsor? You don't have one? Yeah, shout-out radio. Shout-out radio. Give me that. So, Chaz, what are you doing in L.A. right now outside of being in the lab and laying down? Laying down some heat. You going to squirrel? What's going on? Not yet. Okay. But, yeah, what did I have? Oh, yeah, I went to Sugarfish. Had to. Sugarfish. I had to. He said I had to tap in at Sugarfish. I had to pull up at Sugarfish. He was hitting Stone Island for some new summer ballistic nylon summer shorts, and he just went next door. Let's get a little Nobu going next time. I think you're above A grade for Sugarfish. Who's your manager, Chaz, and why aren't they taking you to Nobu? Are you not managed by Irving Azoff? Like, what's going on? That's where the help eats. Come on, bro. Damn, I know. Look, Nick Daryl's making money, bro. He could take your ass to No Blue. I know his ass is making money. Yeah, if you need any dinner racks, if you need me to make a res, just let me know. Yeah. I got you, bro. I'm proud of my team. They've all got some great taste in food and clothes. It's rare. Oh, yeah, for sure. You know, back when I was working in the music business, the A&R guy that we dealt with lived in New Jersey and rode a Harley and had, like, two kids at hockey camp. You know what I mean? I'm like, this guy's telling me what's cool. This guy had the purse strings. Nowadays, over at the Dead Oceans family, the secretly family, they got cool guys over there. It's nice. It's comforting. You're like, okay, this is like a universal language that we're all catching on to. No, it's very cool. I think it makes things a lot more collaborative as well when there's an actual understanding. It's like these guys. Yeah, I guess there's kind of been a turning of the tide over the last few years because, yeah, I mean, it used to be like everyone who was an agent or a manager.

seem to be more interested in college football than music. And I think that's kind of changed a little bit. Totally. You have your own label too, though, right? Yeah, I have a little indie label that I just sort of released music that I've, yeah, pretty much the only stuff that I sort of released. That's cool, though. All the ambient stuff that no one else wants to release, you got that right? Yeah, exactly. Pretty much. Yeah, I started my own imprint. It's kind of focused, you know what I mean? I love ambient music so much, but we do it for the love, not for the check usually. Exactly, yeah. It's for the cathartic process of it all. You have to show people your range. I will say it's very impressive the amount of output you have over the years and how much variation there is in it, and it succeeds. I think that's pretty difficult to do. It's very cool. I joked in the intro that you survived Indie Sleaze. You know what I mean? Because ain't no one checking for Neon Indian. You know what I'm saying? It's a different time. And you made it out the slums. Neon Indian's on my next record. You did a synth solo. Yeah, a feature. Yeah, because that's because you're like, damn, I made it. I got to throw this guy a bone. That's a different, you know what I mean? Are you on Neon Indian's next record, though? Exactly. No, not yet. Not yet. Because there ain't going to be no record. Not yet. Yeah, it is good. But I mean, what is the... So are you... The new album comes out this week, and then you're hitting the road? Yeah, starting off, kicking off in Cincinnati. Oh, I love a nice little warm-up. We'll hit Cincinnati, we'll hit Cleveland, then we'll make it to L.A. by 2023. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, baby. Who's coming on the road with you? Anybody we know? I mean, we're supporting Crongbin. Shit, really? And then who's the other person? There's somebody I knew that you were on tour with as well. I don't know. I don't know. It's just us two. Let me do it. Well, I was looking at your tour dates. Oh, we are having Uffy. Oh, yeah, Uffy. That's right. Speaking of Indie Sleeve. Yeah, Uffys. And you did a song for Uffy, right? Yeah, I produced her next record, actually, for Company. Like the whole thing? The whole thing. All 10 songs. Oh, Chaz said, I'm Timberland, and this is Jay-Z. You know what I'm saying? Let's get in the lab. Wow. Okay, Pharrell.

I didn't know you had it like that. Yeah, Uffy's the old homie we used to play together all the time. She's the queen. She's the queen of all of this blog house stuff. She's been popping the Glock for decades at this point. I believe in her so much. You knew her from back in the day, right? Oh, yeah. I was wearing all the CMYK clothing. Yeah, dude. Bro, we know. I've seen your ass in the fader. I know what the looks are. It was like – it was an era, man. It was like the internet was the Wild West, though. I mean, the internet was the Wild West, but it's also like I looked like an idiot during that time, but I wasn't famous. So there is some documentation, of course, but not a lot of documentation. I feel like we've got – because Jason did a party here in L.A. at Cinespace Tuesdays with Steve Aoki and Cobra Snake. So the amount of pictures of Jason looking like an idiot – Something funny about that, Chaz? is hilarious, you know what I mean? And I'm sure that you have some photos that maybe you would like to. Do we have any shutter shade photos? There's something out there. I was definitely stalking last night's party. Looking for some little baddies? Yeah. The shutter shades are the ultimate test. Jason claims to not have a picture of himself in shutter shades. I maintain that it exists. Unless Kanye Tudor put them on my face himself, I'm not going to be... You're not going to be spotted with the shutter shade. No, yeah, I skipped the shutter shade. But also, speaking of the Bay Area, that kind of blog house, indie sleaze movement coincided with the hyphy movement. So how much were you a part of that? Because I was pretty heavily invested in the hyphy movement myself. Oh, I mean, I don't know if I was too close to that movement. I moved to the Bay right when that was kicking off. I remember like... I Am Sue was really popping off. Keek Da Sneak. Gas Pedal. Who did that song? Miss Tough Ab. Oh, yeah, Gas Pedal. Okay, okay. All that stuff. Yeah, so I moved to the Bay in 2011. Right, so it was a little past the prime zone. Well, I feel like it's still going as well. I was going to say, it's like it's kind of, in the Bay, it's like kind of nonstop. San Francisco, look, for me, San Francisco's greatest band of all time is Girls, and I'm just wishing that that, I'm wishing that they could,

that he could get it together and make a comeback and put an album out on, on company. I, I just, I mean, I just think that that I talk about all the time and everyone that was around for that arrows, like this was it, like this shit was too good. It was kind of like, it was just a little, it was different enough, but kind of timeless, but you know, drugs are scary, man. Yeah. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. That was an interesting era. I think it's mostly just cause like we didn't have, Instagram wasn't what it was now, like this like creative aggregator, you know, sort of like resume. Portfolio. Yeah, exactly. It's more of a portfolio thing now. mood board yeah back then i think it was more of like a i don't think artists were even using it that way like no one was just i don't know what they were posting no we're just posting photos of like our tacos and saying for the win yeah i think it's just food i was gonna say i think it's just like food for the win no one was even trying to post screenshots or anything like crazy We talk about this a lot, but it's the ugliest time period that we've lived through so far, like, aesthetically just displeasing. Right. So I think for it to be rehashed, it's mostly by, like, the three of us lived through it in different ways and at different stages, but we have lives now, so we're kind of like, oh, it's funny. But there's a lot of people where that was their peak. Yeah, sure, yeah. Like, now they, you know, kind of do some electrical work out in the suburbs, you know. Things didn't really pan out. So that's like the number one height of their existence. So they want to reblog photos where they were still hot even though they were dressed badly. And I think that's what's driving this. I think that's what's truly driving the movement. Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. And a big reason why I'm not is because that's when I was fat. So I don't do that. And also, you know, we all dressed so badly back then. It's kind of like. Yeah. Awful. Awful choices. Just like, I remember those hats that you could buy on the side of the street in New York City that were kind of like 80s looking, like all the colors, triangles. Yes. Yes, of course. That vibe. Yeah. I mean, look, man, it's okay. You've lived a lot of life. Chaz, it gets better. It gets better, Chaz. If you ever need anything, you know who to call, how long gone is here to kind of counsel you through it.

That HTP5C is good. I don't know if you've heard of Wellbutrin, but you could try that as well. It's a little stronger. Nice. It's a little stronger. Jason snorts his sometimes, but I've told him that's a little too far. So he's kind of listening. He's kind of calmed down a little bit now. But Chez, I don't think you need any fashion helps or tips, right? No, no, you're good. I think you got that on lockdown. I feel okay. Yeah, I feel like I got a good sense of what's going on and who I am. I feel like that's when it gets crazy. when you're, like, dressing way outside your comfort zone. Like, if you're uncomfortable and you're, like, putting something on and you're like, do I look stupid right now? You should probably take it off. Yeah, you strike me as always somebody who's looking pretty comfortable. Like, your clothes are comfortable, you're comfortable in your skin. Totally. It's admirable. Yeah, I mean, I always feel that way. I don't care how good I look. If it's uncomfortable, I don't want to be wearing it. I'm not going to enjoy myself. I'm going to have a gas face on my face. Yeah. Not to use another hyphy movement. Yeah. Jason's just addicted to the hyphy. You know, I don't want to be walking around Fashion Week with my fizzle face happening. Yeah, it's a great suit, but at what cost? You know what I mean? Yeah, you're paying the price, not the fizzle face. Chaz, we really appreciate you joining us. Say on How Long Gone. The new album is out. Mahal, M-A-H-A-L, correct? Correct. Is that a Tagalog word? Yeah, it's Tagalog for I love you, or for love. So the phrase, I love you, is Mahal Kita. Love it. The record is a psych rock album, so love is a big theme, and it's a... A new perspective on love, if you will. No pun intended. I'm opening my third eye right now, and I love to get psyched with it, Chaz. We'll see you in L.A. We'll make sure to come to the show, and we'll build. Right on. Okay. But yeah, man, look, enjoy your time in L.A. Try to get Nick to take you to Nobu. I will. We've got our sushi upgraded. Okay.

i'm down we appreciate you and uh and um we'll check out the record on friday all right bro talk to you soon all right thanks chaz later bro have a good one peace Grab a to-go bottle of Fairlife ultra-filtered milk during your next pit stop. With 50% more protein and 50% less sugar than regular milk and an oh-so-delicious taste. From creamy chocolate to delicious strawberry, there's a Fairlife flavor for everyone. Make a to-go bottle of Fairlife your road trip essential. Tap the banner or visit Fairlife.com to learn more.