308. - Emmanuel Olunkwa

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. How Long Gone is here. I'm back in California. It's Tuesday, March 1st, 8-something AM. You're listening to this on Wednesday. Chris, what's up? You're still in the chilly. Snow-covered hills of Brooklyn. That's where you're at? No, it's actually warmed up. I'm in Manhattan where I belong. So it's gotten all the way up to 40? Yeah, 48, maybe 50. It is gray, unfortunately, but we're not here. Relax, Al Roker. We're here to podcast. Right now, New York is cloudy at 41. TJ called it yet again. Edward Fortyhands Roker called it. You're so smart. Well, Chris, today... Guess what the high, the high, 1 p.m. today, which is about four hours, 84. 84. No, look, I'll be back. I'm coming back to California. I know, I know. There's so little opportunity for me to rub it in like a soft services clearing clay. that i have to take any rubbing opportunity i can get with you because you're just that good and penetrable wall no i i understand yeah no it's it's it's a good i'm absolutely uh destroying myself at barry's boot camp so i'm kind of in that zone jason i'm sure you've been here where sometimes after a really intense workout all you can kind of do is stare at the wall

The brain's not doing much for an hour post-shower. After dousing my body in expensive soft-services products, I just stare at the wall, and nothing happens in the brain. It's not like I'm contemplating life. Yeah, you're acting like this is a negative byproduct when this is actually the sole intention of your physical fitness is to reach this state of... brainlessness, even if it's just for a few fleeting moments in your hellish existence. But yeah, that only really happens to me in the hot summer months when that happens because I don't push myself as hard as you do, of course. That's understood. When it's like a three-hour, 100-degree tennis session and you just – the only thing that I could put in my body is Blue Powerade like everything else doesn't take – And then you just kind of put your – I like to put my legs up on the wall or, you know, do something like that. And you just kind of sit there. You can't even, like, look at your phone. You're just like – No. Yeah, it just hurts, and it feels – Don't act like you don't love it. No, I love it. This is my – I love it, though. This is my candy. This is my weed. You know, it just – I just – I can't get enough, Jason, of staring at the white wall. Okay, good. Good. I'm happy. I'm glad you get to get that. As soon as we touched back down into L.A., I got to have my first good night's sleep in a week. And let me tell you, man, nothing hits. Nothing hits like some Cali Kush and Cali King. Have we not figured out maybe a combination where you buy the Cali King and then you get kind of a... kelly kush subscription service that comes with it you know most weed dealers are named casper so it makes sense that there would be some type of mattress marijuana collaboration going on there but maybe we can talk to our friends at pure beauty or rose or any of other of these elite edible companies and see if we can get you know what's your sleep mattress number what's your thc cbd sleep number whatever you know what i mean oh baby i'm thinking more of a hastens yeah hastens rose collab yeah okay you know what i mean so

Once you buy the mattress for 15 racks or whatever, or 40. 27,000, but yeah, go on. Well, it depends on which one you get. I mean, if we're saying Cali King, yeah, it's going to be 50. Then you get like a lifetime subscription to Rose to help you really melt into that down. You know what I mean? This is a good, and I think Casper actually is failing now, so I think they might need some help. Okay. So maybe this is – I'm sure there's some agency bros listening to this that are connected to the Casper Corporation. I like that you've created a scenario where all you have to do is buy a mattress and you get marijuana for life. I feel like some restrictions may apply. Well, no. It would be small quantities, of course. And I also would think that the – there's a governor on it, much like the go-karts growing up in the south. Oh, nice. Nice, Chris. You can't drive those things too fast or you might wreck. And the same thing with marijuana. For inexperienced users. It's a slow drip, Jason, not a snort. I got my first good night's sleep actually last night because of all the partying you had me doing. But last night I was able to have an early one and just watch a couple episodes of Love is Blind Season 2 and just, you know. Get into bed, read my Howard Stern book, and just doze off. You're reading private parts right now? No, no. There's a book of the collected interviews that came out a couple years ago that's really good. Man, I got to say, the thought of reading old Howard Stern interview transcriptions in bed doesn't sound like... tons of fun but is do they do they kind of edit it down for oh yeah yeah yeah it's like it's it's very it's very well it's like okay actually he tells he tells the story in the intro which is really interesting that he like didn't want to do it and the publisher basically brought it to him oh not finished but basically like hey this is exactly what it will be like so you're you're talking about POC, proof of concept. Proof of the other POC, proof of concept, yeah. Copy that. He does a little bit of an intro for each person and kind of talks about their relationship. He's like, I remember Jenna James. I mean, I remember. I'll never forget the first time I threw bologna at her asshole. No, it's not like that. What a great gal. The intro is actually really powerful. It's really interesting. I told you this, I think, how he realizes that like.

He was so obsessed with being that character and tracking ratings. He basically had to almost die to understand that that's not who he was and that he would be better. He became a much better interviewer after he dropped that. Right, so he went Steve-O mode is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, he was the original Steve-O. Steve-O may have had to drop out before. stern yeah that's true i mean i'm not as familiar with steve-o's catalog uh hopefully there's a there's a forward by the the president of the sibian corporation in this fine tone yeah of course yeah could you explain what this what the sibian is for our listeners at home oh no i'm good i i think they know i think they know um but but uh you got it brother well i'm yeah i'm feeling refreshed and just excited to be podcasting again with you i can't get enough after that conference i'm just feeling invigorated for the industry we announced a big show today in toronto We listen to our body, and when it says, you know what, we're in a healthy, safe space where we can go and travel again, then we do it. Then we call up our good friends at High Road, and we say, Give me Matheson. Well, I talked to a friend of the show, Liam Gossel, today, and he was like, last person I saw at the Great Hall was Paul Simon. And I was like, damn, we're in great company. We're in great company. And also, my other friend was like, I saw Jonathan Richman. So it's like, it feels like the right place for us. Well, it feels like the right place for you. I don't really listen to either of those people, but I recognize them as legends in the game, for sure. I'm sure that Wu-Tang Clan has played there as well. Don't Wu-Tang me, bro. Come on, bro. I'm sure Chief Keefe is at least driven by it. Much better. Shout out to Chief Keefe for his efforts. I think he's heading over to the Ukrainian border. I think parts of Belarus he's trying to hold down. Boots on the ground over there. He said it's finito for Russia if I get over there, bro. You don't want the smoke. Very nice. Let's see here. Shout outs to

the Four Horsemen for taking care of me on my last meal in New York. I had a grimy Brooklyn meal. I'm so glad that you were able to go to the LCD Sound System restaurant after right, just a day after they appeared on Saturday Night Live looking at the worst people at the farmer's market. As I tweeted. So I did watch LCD on SNL last night. It was shocking how bad it was. I don't really pay too much attention to them. I know that they were doing, you know, 50 shows in 50 days at Brooklyn Steel or whatever, but they're always breaking up and doing their last show and getting back to reunite because I don't know why, but I was watching them play and I know that they're kind of trying to do like a talking heads kind of thing where it's a bunch of different white people and one Asian doing like... No, there's a lot of Asians. You know, kind of world music, live percussive, like... a hypnotic rhythm of things but it was just a real snoozer and obviously they're kind of new york royalty depending on who you're asking you know hate him or love him it's the truth and you know so they they kind of deserve to play on snl but you know nobody wants to hear those new boring ass songs play the hits that's what i was going to say that's what i was going to say it's like this you're you're over the hill it's not good but you have five classics. You've got to play at least one of them. To not play one classic on SNL when you're in the twilight of your career just seems like ego death. Even if you're a big artist that sells out arenas and is currently in the zeitgeist, Olivia Rodrigo has to do driver's license, whether she likes it or not. And they always say, first song, do the thing. Second song, you do your little bullshit, whatever, your little special project. Just play the hit on the first time, then you can do whatever you want. And they just did another one of those songs where he just screams the same word over and over again, and then 11 different guys who work at the farmer's market go, bing, bing, bing, boom, boom, boom, boom, bing, bing, bing. And also they added an Asian girl to the band, which...

You guys have already broken up. You're done with your musical career. You've had Nancy Wang playing in your band for over two decades now, and she's a member of the band as much as anyone, and then they replace her with a younger, bigger-boobed Asian who also plays a Korg that goes... It feels like you can't put pressure on a founding member of the band like you're going to get replaced at this stage. It reminds me of when we got Bean and Margo. When you get the young dog and you have the old dog that's been around and then the old dog is kind of looking at the young dog like, what's going on here? I don't like the looks of this. And then the young dog is like, look at me. But then also... Then the old dog has to teach her, like, hey, after a while, they're going to get a little touchy backstage. Dad's a little bit of a dick when his guitar is out of tune. The guy with the Cosby sweater, he gets a little handsy. So they kind of show each other the ropes of how to navigate in this man's world. But I don't know why. And then it's also like, hey, thanks. I know James Murphy is a millionaire. And I know you have an 11-piece band and you pay us each $300 every time you make $30,000. But, yeah, let's add another person to split this money up with. All of that is fine to me because it's the James Murphy show. It's just business. Do what you want. But the song selection, offensive. And just as offensive as you going to the Commodore in Brooklyn in 2022 after you had a meal at James Murphy's Wine Bar. So I would like for you to – but we only have a few minutes before our guest comes on. Well, that was light bites over at James Murphy's Wine Bar. And, honestly, they did – It was a dazzling experience. I really liked it. We got to sit at the bar, and it was a who's who of image makers, and we had a great person serving us, and he took us on a...

On a journey, on a mouth journey, it was cool, but it was like three or four kind of smaller plates, and it was literally around the corner from the Commodore, a place where my life partner is near and dear to her heart, having lived in Brooklyn for a long time. We've all done coke in that hell at some point, and we're not proud of it. To revisit is insane. to revisit did you have fried chicken or nachos no no we only like we we weren't starving like we ate food but it was kind of and we we didn't even finish half of the nachos but it was just kind of like we're drunk and feeling silly and we're like oh my god we're right around the corner from commodore we used to go a lot of time but jason but jason got these nachos there and we we went we ordered the nachos we we hung out for 10 minutes and then we went home you're talking a lot but you're not why don't you share with the people why don't you share with the people what you had to drink jason Oh, it was a pina colada. You got to get a pina colada over there, bro. Going to the Commodore in 2022, one of the craziest things I've ever heard. Yeah, I agree. I'm glad. You're a nicer guy than me. It's like the high school reunion where all the people that didn't leave the town are still there. Even though they did leave, it's just like, here's the 2022 version of who you were hanging out with. In 2008? No, everybody, I'm sure it's the same staff. It was sobering. But they're all fat now. That's what happens. But all right, we do have a guest today. Emmanuel Alunqua is the new editor-in-chief of Pin Up Magazine, co-founded November Magazine. He makes furniture under the E&Co label. And he also served as the editor of the broadcast, a publication from... The good people at Pioneer Works. He lives in New York now, but he's actually from L.A. He's a Cali bro, and I know him from Cali. I was checking this guy out. This motherfucker is young, and he's lapping our asses. He's young. He's lapping. He's getting it done. He builds furniture, and it's on sale at Essence right now. Hopefully, we can use your discount. But he did the thing that is basically...

You know, gold in our world, which is he was on the cover of Popeye magazine. No, I know. And that is something I'm obviously deeply jealous of. And I hope he's here to start on us, even though it goes without saying that he's more successful than both of us. And he's only, you know, I don't know, 10 to 13 years younger. That's right. But don't worry, he probably lives in Bed-Stuy, so you've got something on him? You have something to attack him about? The first thing I'm going to ask is his full address in New York City, just so we can kind of get that on the record and then we'll go from there. But I don't want to scare him off in the first minutes of this program. I'm sure it's a very tasteful apartment, though, that is much nicer than ours. I'm going to guess... he has more bedrooms and maybe an extra floor on us. No way. Yeah, it's possible, bro. I live in Glendale. Yeah, it can be, but you have a one floor. You got a little, your shit's short, bro. I have a single story, three bedroom, two bathroom home, and that's bigger than any house in New York ever in the history of real estate. That's just not true, fam. Not if you go to bedside. Copy that. We're going to get to the bottom of this. Okay. All right. Let's go. I don't care who's at the top. Let's give them a zoom. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? You know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace.

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is exactly what it needs to be, and there's no excess. So my bed is in a cove in my room. It's not like I can get crazy with the layout. So when you call it a dollhouse, that means it's very nice, a pointed, but tiny? Yeah, but I'll have a backyard. How tiny? Oh, backyard, Jason? He's in Brooklyn. What neighborhood? I'm in Bed-Stuy. I moved to New York for college, so I'm a very different vantage point on apartments like i know them i i just have a very specific relationship to the architecture of apartments and like i'm also from los angeles i'm like i'm trying to have proper space to actually do my thing and think and like fuck so i also someone pulling up on my apartment in chimetown is just like you got me fucked up like i'm not trying to have someone just pull up on me like that like I'm doing all kinds of things. What do you mean? You're saying you want some separation from the scene. You want to be able to go into your area and be left alone and not run into any. Yeah. Emmanuel, he needs a sanctuary that he can return to and recharge his batteries. I'm guessing you're a Virgo just like us, but you don't want to walk out your front door and see some guy wearing JNCOs, trying to do heel clips, wearing Vetements heels and shit. Yeah, I can't fuck with that. That's all I want to see. No. i'm not a virgo oh well that's your bad it's my birthday today i'm fucking not virgo i'm i'm a pisces i'm actually the opposite of you that see that's where you fucked up being a pisces no no no what does that mean tell us what the pisces is opposite of virgo which chris and i are both virgos and oh my god okay so we we're we're yin and yang not fire and ice is what i feel like but please describe yourself I mean, I like know astrology is like a vague, not a vague language, but I do actually know it as like, cause it's whatever all these, it's a language essentially. Right. So, you know, so do you know a lot of white chicks as well? Um, I do. I do. I actually do. Yeah, I do. Welcome home, brother. Welcome home. It's like less the white girls. It's more just like these like woo woo. I generally know like woo woo people. Woo woo knows no color lines is what you're saying. Yeah, exactly. There's no bias. There's no like racial bias. But.

um no i think a lot of people meet me especially pisces people who are born around this time when they meet me they're like you're not a pisces like you're not we can't we don't fuck with you that's just straight up they sniff you out and they say something don't something smell fishy on this pisces is what they say i'm not like pisces are like kind of stereotypic emotional and like people who encounter me on the internet assume that i'm like a leo because i'm just like doing my thing and because like you know leaders are like the star of the show they move them in the moves and the stickers like they take kind of take no prisoners and i conceptually i do move in that way to be fair you are you do come off as one who is doing their thing that's true that's true i'm kind of i just like you know like like that is why i'm in brooklyn i'm out here fucking doing my fucking thing i know you've worked with a lot of clients but was was the was that outdoor voices campaign was that you outdoor voices campaign what Doing things? No. I'm like, I don't even know. I just had to do one more. I'm sorry. Go on. No, no, no. I don't think that's my brand. He's like, bro, I don't fuck with shitty tights. Get out of here, TJ. I was like, outdoor voices. No. Actually, you know what? No, I'm not going to. It's your birthday. Don't cross the line just yet in the first five minutes. I was going to pop off. I was going to pop off. Don't tease a pop off. You can't do that. This episode will only be listened to by a dozen or so people. So this is a safe space for you to pop off without any repercussions. Don't worry. I have these idle thoughts that are so... collaborations with brands and signing like NDAs and shit. And like you work with someone and they fuck you over so intensely, like these startups. So you want to let it spray, but the NDA is keeping... I wish I could name names because, you know, I work with like, you know, like those like kind of startup consultancy brands. Like you can kiss my fucking ass if you... Hell yeah. It's so on site. If you have a non-alcoholic spirit company or a mental health app, it's on fucking site. Is that what you're saying? It's...

No, it's like these startup consultants. I'm not saying like, oh, I'm so much smarter than most people, but I'm like, let's call a spade a spade. We're all fucking throwing vibes around and making shit up as we go. That's just what this is. You're right. I threw some vibes around just earlier today. So yeah, I get it. Jason, don't refer to sexual intercourse as throwing some vibes around. Please don't do that. I threw some vibes myself and got caught. Happy birthday to us, E-Man. go you know you're not throwing it you're not throwing it you're not getting caught you know what i'm saying you're not throwing a lime you can't get caught yeah i find i find exactly what you're talking about to be a full fantasy land of like i don't understand how everyone gets so much money for ideas that are seemingly bad or at least inconsequential i have so many feelings about so many things and i i think it's actually purely it's like purely a consequence of living alone in covid i'll say it i'll say it i did it i did it you know that that's what being privileged gets you affords you you know what i mean these fucking idle thoughts you were privileged enough to be able to lose your goddamn mind in the last few years yeah no i think i just i've been thinking i don't i'm not one for meetings i really hate meetings i'm like don't waste my time you hate meetings that's all i want to do is i'm going after this i'm going to the mercer well that's a vibe that's a vibe that's a vibe that's like you know i'm all about like story booking and like storied meetings like i'm like meet me at the jane meet i mean actually don't meet me at the jane but like i actually don't meet me but so you want to do a meeting where you have to put a look together for it versus like let's just run down to the coffee shop after the gym type of meeting i'm young so i never really had that i never had meetings that way i had like internship interviews that like fell into that kind of situation or like when i was like consulting for 300 you know but that was like a different bag hold on hold on bro did you sign post malone

I did not sign him. Damn, Emmanuel was building with Lior and Migos and Post. Oh, my God. Yeah, no, a friend was on the label, and I worked closely with... I'm like, I can't be out here and fucking... Yes, you can. Yeah, no, I was just out here in the office making some decisions. Was this while you were in college? yeah oh my god yes oh my god college is a crazy time look man we didn't go to college you know what i'm saying um on this podcast it's kind of we're we're not anti but we because we have a lot of smart people on because it makes us smarter yes yeah i didn't go to school to like make friends right like i didn't go to school i didn't go to make friends i went to school to like acquire it's like a very specific kind of positioning you know what i mean like It's like I'm all about the narrative. People are like, oh, my God, you went to Columbia. And I'm like, I did go to Columbia. How does that make you feel? So you switch it on. You put it back on them. So as a person who is obviously aesthetically blessed and you make furniture, were you fucking up these dorm rooms? Were you going in and going absolutely brazy? Or were you IKEA like the rest of them? No, I didn't. I'm a very obsessive person. I always tell my friends. Aria, actually, who's kind of like my thought partner and everything. Hold on. T-H-O-U-G-H-T. I mean, not no. Okay, just want to understand. Make sure the spelling is clear if this is an audio-based podcast. You ideate how you're going to get this dick. Go on. Aria and I chop it up, and whenever I'm angry about someone or she's talking about someone, I'm like, you know I don't fucking care about that shit. You know once I start thinking about a person, it's over. if you exist in my mental space and I don't think about you, then like you're, you're good. That's like neutrality. Like the moment I start to compute what you are saying and wearing, it's fucking over. That is like, you don't want me to think about shit. That is like, that is in such a, anyway, in college, I wasn't thinking about furniture. I've always thought about architecture. I've always thought about growing up in LA. Like my friends just like lived in Brentwood, the Palisades and like, I barely have friends that live in Brentwood. I'm 40 years old. I got two friends in Brentwood, John and Vinny.

I'm just like deep, deep, deep, deep, deep in the LA bag. And I just grew up thinking about this kind of shit. Because I feel like when you live in the city, you're paying for like, it's like a storage room that you're paying for. You can pass through, you shower, you shit, you leave. You know what I mean? Like you're not actually trying to spend time in your crib. Or if you are spending time in your fucking crib, you have some janky ass, dusty ass people posting up. It's like a weird cosplaying where the people who pull up into your apartment are your audience. They suddenly become your audience for whatever the fuck you're doing. And I think I'm, I don't need people to be witnessing what the fuck I'm doing. Yeah. It costs money to witness what I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah. Come over to my house and watch me smoke cigarettes on the fire escape. Listen, when I was in college, I was like right before, like, cause I moved here right when like dime started to pick up and I did have this fantasy of living there. And then certain people beat me to that fantasy. And then I was like, this is hell on earth and I will not be fucking doing it because I, because what? Because I started thinking about it. And that, is how i knew you just so you really you just float through life vibes only you just you don't listen i it's like this is like this is like my kind of catch 22 this is like my curse and a blessing like i'm so considered like i think like you know in the clothes that i wear and the thing you know the things that i say whatever vibes that i've got like i'm really thinking about thought about the shit that i want to say but then when i'm like person to person like i'm not trying to fucking think like it's the worst when people who know that i write or design or like or have taste like want to talk to me and i'm like bro if i wanted to talk to you about that we would be in conversation like i would be hitting you up you should try podcasting it sucks no i mean i so what is because you've brought this up a couple times uh since we've been talking about like your brain is like this beautiful thing that has gotten you to where you are in life and you're a very considered person you have great

style and aesthetic, and you've accomplished a lot for somebody of your age. I didn't say any of that. I don't even know that person. These are all my words. I don't know that person. These are all my words. All right, all right. These are all my words, but also your brain, the source of all this good, is also like, if I start thinking about you or this thing, eventually you know where it's going to end up. something negative or something bad yes yes yes yes yes yes or like i i for instance like in high school i would always help my friends like get dressed for parties i would get dressed at home and then i would pull up to my friend's spot and be like all right come outside no like no no no come in for a second i'm like getting ready and i'm like no no no No. Just no. Why I got to come in? I get it. He's not a fucking stylist. He doesn't want to think about it. So you're sitting on the sidewalk saying, what's the budget? I'm not coming in. No, exactly. I'm like, what's the budget? And then I pull up, and I'm like, hey, what's up? You know, where are you? And then they'll be like, oh, should I wear this shirt? And I'm like, yeah. You said wear that shirt. And then, and then. And then I'll be like, fuck, I can't actually. And then I'll be like, you know, actually maybe change the jeans. And then like midway through, I'm like, no, but the shoes don't match. And it's just fucked. It's fucked from there. And then I'm the bad guy. If I let one drop of water out of this. It's fucked. You know, it's a torrential. It becomes a torrential downpour. Classic Pisces Leo. Exactly. I was made the villain in high school because. I was really opinionated. And now I think because I've designed shit. Hey, let me tell you. I made the villain of this podcast for the same reason. And this little bitch, he's games free. And you know he's an asshole because you know him. I know. Do better, work harder. No, I think it's just your aerial view when you want to target. I don't understand why we've. She's a sniper. Why in the society we live in that it's like. unacceptable to just be like oh that's bad like i don't know why it's yeah i don't understand like it's okay if you like it i don't it's like i don't care if you like something and i don't like it and i i think it should be that should be vice versa yes i think it comes back i think it comes back to emmanuel's mind where everyone has a little bit of that mind in there where if i talk shit about something or say something is bad

I can go into my mind and go down a path long enough to where I feel bad about that. Or I'm like, well, maybe it was bad because of this and this, and this person didn't have this advantage, and they weren't able to experience life because of this and this, and I guess I shouldn't have said that that was bad. If you want to find that, you can get to that point eventually. I can't. I can't. But then it turns everyone into a pussy where nobody is saying anything critical about anything. I know. People will say music is bad pretty clearly. I think that's a different – there's like such a – a defined like criticism of that fashion. No one says anything is bad. It's fucking crazy. It's insane. It's insane. Well, they, they do, but not publicly. And like how we were saying before, Chris, like, like if a dumb band is going to do an interview and they drop out the last hour, the last minute and the PR person says like, Hey, sorry, this band dropped out, but here is a replacement or like this shirt. is ugly, but if they change this and this, it would be better. This cheeseburger is bad, but if they fix the button, like, offer something instead of just saying it's bad, I think that's a good place for criticism. But I don't think that people really actually know what the fuck they're talking about. I think that there are people that are actually who study these crafts and study these different movements, like, know the references, but I even think that people who know the references aren't actually thinking about, like, the structure. Like, I think about structures all the time, like, and I was, like, watching this movie, which I will not say the name of we got to know the references and the structure damn bro yeah i don't have time i gotta work out we didn't get our masters all right we don't know about the structure i mean this is this is some this is something that i went to school to acquire the language to then apply to these crazy thoughts that i always have but it's like the fact that people don't realize that like yeah like the person i think that people are able to recognize references and like oh like this is good historically right but like don't realize that that person made a decision which then made that thing cool it wasn't pulled out of thin air or like like for instance music like popular music i mean the music we listen to is like only kind of like conditioned it's like subconsciously like kind of like plugged into our brain because these people decide to play it five times a day you know like that's the only reason why like pop music pops off like it's not actually

Certain things chart more than the other. It's just these are the priorities of these companies. It's quality, not quantity. It gets beaten into our brain whether or not we like the song. And then you're like, shit, I guess I like. You know what it is? It's like the people who aren't thinking generally about things, like think that they're vibing, but they're fucking actually harshing the vibe. The people who like have thought and are out here decided in their bag. When I go to the bar, like I'm straight up like. my whole thing is like i am stupid i try to tell myself that every day i wake up like i don't know shit and then i navigate the world i'm not gonna fuck anyone unless i operate in a place where of stupidity yeah but but don't i don't limit yourself i mean obviously you're coming from a mental place of at the top it's just us not to quote 300 but you you have to like you deserve to find somebody who's also at the top right and you know in terms of relationship. I don't want you to be dumbing it down. No, but in your day-to-day, you're not trying to always be on. It's exhausting. You're telling me. Being a celebrity is tough. I'm with my family. I'm eating. Guys, can you leave me alone? You know what I mean? As a thought leader, I have to use marijuana or else I'm always on. I'm actually not one to do drugs like that, but I am just trying to have fun and party. I think I'm now realizing... you know it's like when you go off to college you're like i want to be when you project like i want to be so and so i want to be and then you get there and i was like actually like i was friends with all the serious people and the people who were like in their bag hustling and now i'm like yo if we don't have fun together i can't do it like i actually can't that's how you and i kind of met i remember like just being in the club and i remember being like i know this is like a nice guy who's like smiling and has a good attitude and spirit and is like also fun and respectful and was being nice to me and I thought was funny and had a good time. I'm like, that's a nice person that I like. And we kind of bonded on less intellectual items. Yes. It's a shocker, Jason, that you bonded with someone over less intellectual items. That's very interesting to hear. But I mean, I'll be DJing in the club and he'll run in and just start dancing right in front of me. I'm like, what a nice guy. He likes the song and he's showing that with physical use, not...

Not the mental. Do I give Emmanuel some drink tickets? Sure. The importance of bonding in a physical, less intelligent space is also as important as having a deep conversation with somebody. Where were you partying in high school, though? i mean a lot of my friends growing up rich and so a lot of their parents were out of town oh baby so you were doing coke at the house party i like that i mean i didn't say that i didn't say that at all i'm sorry it was a different time it was a different time no it was a different time no but i think like like for instance like i think my friend tells me the story my friend tells me the story of like no because like i grew up with i grew up with like a lot of so did you go to crossroads or harvard westlake i went to neither i was i was i was actually like i wasn't in it i was of it you know so like i went to public school i was kind of hiding in plain sight like no one really knew if you didn't know my school you didn't know that like i was smart taking ap classes you know what i mean all my friends went to crossroads new roads oakwood harvard westlake brentwood so you were on the wrong side of the tracks I was on the wrong side. Exactly. And so I would do a cameo and pop in. So the Mercedes was not AMG is what you're saying? It was just a regular Mercedes? No, it was. No, I actually drove. I drove my mom's Saturn, bro. Let's fucking talk about it. You know, Emmanuel, one of my favorite things in the world. Tough to get parts now, dude. One of my favorite things in the world is when people drive cars that are no longer in production. Listen. Saturn. Saturn is one of those. And then, of course, the famous Nissan Xterra. Which is no longer in production. You need the whole brand to be gone. Yeah, yeah. So we got the Dodge, the Neon, the Saturn, the Geo, Geo Metro. RIP to all those legends. So yeah, you really came out the mud. I did, I did. So she was a Saturn Stan. Yeah, my mom was a Saturn Stan. I'm actually back in my practical bag. In high school, I was so crafty and resourceful. I didn't give a fuck what I was in. My grandmother drove this busted.

beat up nissan quest van it was blue it was like ocean blue pearl blue And if I had to get to the function, I was mobbing however it needed to happen. Fuck aesthetics. I would park two blocks away. I like that you said, fuck aesthetics. I did park two blocks away, so nobody saw my aesthetics. Because the deep homies knew it was pre-Uber. In the car, it was vodka and Coke. They bought a $12 handle at CVS and chugged that shit. the car of course pre-game we pre-gamed in the car we pre-gamed in the car yes yes yes and then no but like no i think my my friends who like i grew up with like how i really partied with in high school like there's this time with when we in high school like maybe junior year like we pulled up to claire and nick fister's house cool okay great great and their dad is the acclaimed cinematographer wally fister who shot you know who i thought you said pfizer But no, I don't. No, no, no. What are some of Wally Pfister's cinematological exploits? You think you like Wally? Name five of his cinematic exploits. I can name three. I can name the only three that matter to me, which actually is the Dark Knight trilogy. Oh, shit. Okay. Chris doesn't do superhero movies. You guys are nerds, man. Move on. Christopher Nolan. Christopher Nolan, dark. Yo, he's downtown LA. He's got the jib shot. Ooh. He's got the big old jib crane on the Saturn view. Whenever I need to... kind of check myself, I watch that. Like, whenever I feel lost. When you need to check yourself? Yeah. You use Batman to check yourself? I listen to, like, Elliot Smith and you watch three Batman movies and you need to check yourself? I'm able to, like, channel. Like, you know when he's, like, you know when, like, I think it's in the lab. No spoilers, honey. No spoilers. I've never seen these movies and I never will, but go ahead. Go ahead. Oh my god. No, but there's this, like, it's just, like, a psychological, like, it's like a psychological exercise. Like, all those movies are, like, all these, like, plot twists. And also, like, let's talk about it. Like, um, what's her name? Who?

Devil Wears Prada, Anne Hathaway. Really? You're the only person I've ever said or I've ever heard speak positively of Anne Hathaway. I think Anne Hathaway low-key has a body on her, but she's dorky, so you don't really see it. I would want to hit on the low just to see what it's like. Of course, of course. Fuck around and find out. But I really do live in between the Devil Wears Prada and the Dark Knight. And I didn't realize that she was a Link. I didn't realize that she was a Link. devil wears part of the cat woman like come on like that's range that's range that's range and she i mean le miz like i don't know she's like she's doing it she's fucking doing your favorite could never do le miz batman and devil so yeah so hathaway could fill out the latex suit is what we're saying listen but but no in high school i was like actually i think i'm still crazy now but a lot of people don't really know it in the same way but they will after we listen to this podcast but context context though like claire fister was in bling ring at this time oh Oh, okay. Okay. So this was a party to be at. Yeah, because we all went to high school together. It was all these people's children. They're in the cut. And I partied harder in high school than I did as an adult in New York in my 20s. I know kids like you. I know kids like you who at 15 were at the club. At the club, yeah. I was at EDC. I was fisting before I had my driver's license. It happened. You were at EDC. I was at EDC, yeah. I was, too. I was, too. Yeah, Jason, you guys might have met in a different life. I know. When we were candy stepping. DJ Them Jeans could have been the soundtrack. Yeah, I mean, that's how I met Emmanuel. He gave me a beautiful light show. Yeah, I gave you some candy. My name actually used to be Twister. My rave name was Twister. That was your rave name? Yeah. Twister? Yeah. okay this is good to walk the story home though claire had been in the bling ring and like my friend i was actually really good friends with her older brother nick and so it was always like on site like you pull up and you're like what's the you know like this is when like you were invited to the facebook party facebook event like i think that this is so lost on culture right like you could see everyone who was invited to the party on the facebook event and you have to like put like plus one or like who you were bringing in the comments on the page like you like oh my god like ashley scott is bringing trevor

like jackson and and you'd be like oh my god are we still fucking like it was just like crazy and like like i would be like i'd be like i would be like plus seven on my shit and i would pull up i would pull up and like i'd pull up i'd park in a different zip code and we'd start pre-gaming i'd park in a different zip code and like uber over no uber wasn't a thing at that point But I call a cab. Beverly Hills cab. Yes, yes. Anyway, no, I pulled up to the party and I would always be rolling like seven deep. Like that was a serious thing. And my friend's like, you know how crazy that is? Do you know how crazy you are? The audacity. And we're not talking to anybody all night. That's the vibe. That's the vibe. You bring your own people to the party and partake in the event, but you just want to be in the environment. You don't need to actually associate with the other goers. It's like Drake in the different section at the club. i want i want you to be able to watch me but you can't come and speak to me unless you've been summoned it's more of like the party in the car like it's a very serious ritual of mine like you know like when we're in the car together like don't fucking talk like music is playing like that is what the vibe is so you're in you're trapped in a car and no one's allowed to talk to each other this sounds like a hostage situation if you're djing and you're in the vibe and you're in the cut like if you can you can do like a guest shot like that's cool so this is this is peak past the aux cord oh my god this was like yeah no this was like this was like or like i'm driving like you got this like get us there you know what i mean i'm mobbing on the tin trying to get to pch to get to mandeville canyon you got this like you gotta get me this you know what i mean Yeah, Jason was like that too, but it was more like drunk driving to Orange County and stopping the car and listening to Coldplay. He was more of an after party in the car. You're also not allowed to talk when Coldplay fixed you as playing in the car. I feel like people don't know how to party. It bucks me up going to parties in New York where I'm like, you realize you're not doing anything, right? You realize you just invited people to your apartment.

that's it like you really it's just a place to tick tock people who live in manhattan and who can afford fucking convenience like like i could afford an apartment to live in the city but it's a very different architecture like i can't like sit on my sofa like how many people have a living room in chinatown No one. Bro, I'm in the East Village in my living room right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But is your living room connected to your dining room, which is connected to your kitchen, which is connected to your bathroom? What? Why you got to come at me like that? No. It's a central space. Sure. I don't need a dining room because I don't eat at home like a real New Yorker. So I'm all set on that. but i do have a bathroom i do love to shower exactly but i think that there's a that there is there are certain things that people don't take into account and i am i'm all about entertaining and not that i have anyone in my house because the thought of that is disgusting but yeah did you see rihanna rihanna like a few weeks ago she was doing the red carpet with asap she's like they're like oh like do you go to other people's houses and she's like no i i stay at home like whatever I was like, fuck yeah. I was like, yeah, Ariana, I'm on that back too. I do find people can come to my house. I'm actually worried about tomorrow because I just want people to come over. I'm actually inviting people and I don't know if they can fit. We're just going to see, again, vibes. You're going to let people smoke inside or what's the vibe? No, I have a backyard. Oh, that's right. There's some weeds out there. You have to climb out the window. It's a little guido, but we just... We do what we got to do. What are you going to serve? Do you have an alcohol sponsor? I'm serving vibes. What do you mean? You can't just serve vibes. We need to talk about music. Culinary and alcohol. Is there a past hors d'oeuvre, or is it more of a sit-down? What's our candle story in the bathroom? No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. Actually, I have the Byredo. Yeah, we're a Byredo family on this podcast. No, that's Diptyque. No, actually, sorry. That's Diptyque. That shit's used as hell. You need to order five more of those before the party. Don't come from me like that. Emmanuel's going to email me in an hour and be like, can we cut out the part where I said I have a Diptyque candle?

This is one of the things that I wish people knew. I'm not dumb, but I don't really think about things. I'm very intuitive. I've had to learn how to explain why I like things to people. I'm just attracted to things. Oh, like, this is why this thing had to be that way. Yeah, I'm the same way. And here's the response. I don't know. It's fire. That's all you have to say to anything. But people think I'm in an intellectual. They're like, what's his reasoning? And I'd love to hear it. What's my reasoning? People want a story. People want me to take it on a fucking journey. And I'm like, just because I'm black doesn't mean I have some story. Like, I'm just trying to vibe. No, but I agree with you. I think people, like, really want to intellectualize some shit where it's like. uh is they fit good uh i don't really i don't know what to tell you man these these jeans they are levi's and they fit good so i did purchase them with my money a few weeks ago i was like at a friend had a dinner party and like invited like two or three other people and like i'm really strategic in how i ask certain questions or really like i'm really considered in my wording of certain questions these days i asked a friend of mine i was like would you consider yourself Autistic. And she was like, we kind of were kind of in the dance of the conversation. And she was like, Yeah. Like we were talking about something and like, I was like, I was sitting around the table and I was like, we all have like varying degrees of autism. Like it is so clear. It is a spectrum for a reason. All of my friends are autistic where they're like, it fit nice and I felt good. And so I left, you know, or, or, or it's like, or like, or we were actually, no, no, no, no, no. We were listening to music and she was like that, that, that high hat or that, that, that, that. And I'm like, no, but that, when it, when it thudders in that, in that 10 second like window. Well, I guess you're, since you are very.

considered with your question asking and you are clearly on the spectrum of autism and i'm black and you are black i don't know how that fits into this question okay you're gay i'm not trying i'm not people out here people are here thinking that you're trying to do the most i'm trying to do the least and get paid the most you know what i'm saying like i'm trying well i was gonna ask you because i almost bought the new issue of pinup at at the magazine store but then it was 35 so i don't know what like i don't know i don't know i can you Can you help me out? I have the money. I have the money. But you don't have a dining room. I'm house poor right now, but my periodical collection is kind of weak. That's his problem. That's why he doesn't have a living room or a dining room is because he spent it all on expensive magazines. My book and magazine collection could rival anyone's. It's kind of my life's work. Sometimes pin-ups are a little too heady for me, but I do think it's beautifully done. always already been a collector's like i don't you know totally no totally i'm kidding i'm kidding no but i think it will be i think it will be justified in terms of how we continue to publish editorial content on the website like we're redoing the website and like we're i think it's just gonna become more of an experience i don't know i think a lot of people are like discovering the magazine it's like having a new life i think it's definitely i think it's definitely having a new life i think the book kind of did some of that as well you know what i mean yeah that price point all joking aside is is like what it has to be for people to care. I know. If it's $10, no one cares. If it's more expensive, I think it becomes something more special to people. The publisher is really particular about paper, and it's really funny how you really do get... The magazine doesn't feel like a lot of magazines. No, it doesn't. No, I mean, that stuff matters, and I think it also makes people feel... I think there's two ways people do it. It's like, in the heyday of Purple, it would just be the thickest magazine you've ever seen, and that justified the price.

or it's a materials thing that justifies the price. There's two ways it can go. I would prefer materials at a certain point. Like, I love Arena Home Plus, and I buy all of them, but 650 pages is like, guys, it's like the wine list at the grill. Exactly. I was talking to Wolf King Tillman the other day, and he works. And, you know, I'm just catching up with a buddy. I call him Wolf. Yeah, Wolfie for sure. Come here, Wolfie. I'm a little wolf-wolf. Wolfie's Wolfie, if you know him. We're talking about real estate in the magazine, right? He was saying you get 60 pages in a magazine, and it means one thing, but it kind of takes away from it having a presence. He was talking about when he came up in... the 90s was only given like six pages and maybe like if he was lucky they gave him eight like that was a huge thing and like or you know plus is i mean i love it it's a good example they'll give somebody 50 pages 40 pages right there needs to be some editing you know what i mean that's like a lot i have all those magazines from when i like bought magazines and i'm actually like going through them to kind of refine my magazine collection Because of self-service. Bro, I've got the Kate Moss self-service right here. The shit could kill someone. If I threw it at Jason, it would break his foot. But that's the thing. It's 50 bucks. You know what I mean? Or whatever. It's like you justify the price with the size. And I think I would prefer quality. acne moto jacket recently and like there's like piping and like it's like really like they're like ribbing and like it's like crazy it's like a really you know it's like really sculptural and like i don't wear black i really i really wear a block but i had to cop this one and i got this new jacket yes new blah blah blah he's like yeah yeah like i have another jacket too and then we go out one night and he's wearing it and i was like is that the jacket that you I was like, oh yeah, you have the old one. That's sick. That's cool. We were talking about them abstractly. I was like, yeah, I got this jacket. I had to throw it down. I had to figure it out. I had to make it make sense. He's wearing his jacket. I'm like, yeah, that's the old model jacket. Yeah, of course. Oh, you got the old one. He was like, no, no. I just got this. This was actually a big up for me.

I thrifted this last week, and I was like, God, you got to lead with that next time. You got to lead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to lead with that. I just copped that old, new, new, new. Yeah, yeah. Old. Yeah, yeah. It's old, old, but new to him, which I think is an important clarification to make when you're talking about clothing. I was like, you can't have me out here looking crazy. I wasn't trying to diss you. Listen, go off, King. Get your latest and greatest. Do your thing. Do your thing. Get your latest and greatest buy when you're shitting on someone for buying a vintage jacket is very cool. Oh, yeah, that's cute. You got the latest and greatest for you. That's great. I love to see that. I was like drunk and I was like, yeah, whatever, go off. And I was like, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no. Like, you mean you just caught this? Like, I thought that this was, like, in the collection. You know what I mean? And you were kind of, like, doing a throwback. No, it's different. Yeah, it's very different. It's a perfect blend of alcohol and autism, and it came out in a certain way. Like, oh, yes, sir. That's sick. It looks so good on you. I love that. Wow, that jacket is incredible, bro. I love the way it fits you. I'm embarrassed to be wearing mine, you know? We were both, it was like a standoff. I was like, I'm in 2022. And he was like, in 2016. And it was fine. It's more of a testament to Acne's continuing relevance in the fashion space is how I kind of look at that. Not to get political. And Emmanuel finding a better way to say, that's cute for you. That's cute for you. I did keep the label and I was like, that's old Acne. an old label, and that's fine. No, that's totally fine. That's totally fine. If you're dealing with old acne, check out Soft Services, softservices.co. Thank you for being our sponsor. I can clear that up right up for you. It can happen on the face, but it also happens on the body. I have so many thoughts on New York and L.A., all the places. So when are you coming back to L.A.? I was just there. I actually just came back from L.A. Were you here for freeze? I was here for frizz. I didn't see you there. I didn't see you there because I unfortunately had to go to...

on saturday i wasn't at the vip on thursday which i'm sure is where you were i'm about to put your shit on blast i didn't even go did you at least go to the product party day one you know i'm i'm not gonna comment no comment i did no i didn't i didn't go to the product party i knew that i didn't go I started this new job, Freeze Week, and I have three jobs. I have a lot of different things that I do, and I was just so tired. I was going to sleep at 11.30. It was crazy. Welcome to the club. It's called Grusling. If you need any tips on the Grussell lifestyle, I'm happy to help. I have some experience. It is real. So many people don't know me because of the pandemic. in my new role as an editor. There are dinners that I have to go to and niceties that have to be made. You were at Horses four nights in a row in the back room with Jay and Bae. You had to break it to all of your old LA scrub friends. Unfortunately, I did change up on you. There are niceties involved. I was in the deep cut at Horses. Smoking. I actually had i was in my bag it was fucked i would i i was like on the like side the like little ramp in the back like smoking with some like british people and and they were smoking vogues okay i had one and i hadn't had a cigarette in like almost has to have been almost 10 years and i was like i'm not these niggas got me out here smoking cigarettes Was this an indoor cig at Horses? No, we were in the back room at Horses, and there was like an outdoor. There was like a door. Yeah, like a little behind. The entrance where Jay-Z and Beyonce would come in. Yeah, you know, and I was in the cut, and it was cute, but I was like, I'm out here. These people out here influencing me. I mean, you got swept up by Freeze. It happens every year. It was so nice being in L.A., actually, because I do think, I mean, everyone's always like, everyone's always trying to have a conversation like would you rather and i'm like i wouldn't i'm not thinking about it like i'm not trying to be

I'm not trying to be anywhere. I'm trying to be everywhere. Don't do that to me, bro. I haven't even had my second coffee yet. That's the sound bite right there. You don't want me on my Lauryn Hill shit. You know what I'm saying? No, I really don't. I really don't. I'm sorry that I disrespected you or thought any less. I apologize for everything that I've done. Well, you were late for this podcast on your Lauryn Hill shit, but go ahead. Yeah, you barely showed up. Don't do me like that. I knew because I was actually my co-founder for this magazine that I run. She was dropping off merch. And I was outside getting it and I was like, it's going to come up. They're going to comment on, and I made it this way about the commentary. So when are you moving here? But yeah, I think you summed it up perfectly. I want to be everywhere. Yeah. Not anywhere. I don't know. LA is such a special place. And I think that people don't actually realize how weird it is. And it's such a weird place. I say this all the time because I'm a fairly new resident after visiting for years and years. But you live there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I live here and I live there. Wait, what? She's bi-coastal. I have two places of residence. Run it back. Run it back. Where is L.A. place? It just changed, but West Hollywood. You're a wee-ho-ho. That's right. Starting to make a little more sense, isn't it, Emmanuel? If you want to come to Hamburger Mary's with me, just let me know. Where are you at? I'm not going to get into specifics. No, no, no. Give me Maine. Maybe he's more closer to the Erewhon than Dantana's, if that makes sense. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, he doesn't have an apartment above Rage, but you know. But after living in New York for full time for like 13 years and thinking it's crazy, coming from like Atlanta, L.A. is twice as crazy. L.A. is absolutely insane. Absolutely insane. Not even comparable. Watching Euphoria, I'm like, this is cute. This is really cute for the type of shit that we were doing. Like this was like, talk about raving. Like my friend lived in Beverly Hills post office, like off on Cherokee Lane and growing up and her mom was a talent.

like agent, like represent like Dakota, you know, whatever. Represent the girls. And we went to this, we went to this rave beyond Wonderland, which is like in Bakersfield or something. San Bernardino type shit. San Bernardino, exactly. And like basically took a cab from her house in Beverly Hills post office to San Bernardino. Some rich people shit right there. Very cool. Very cool. Wait, wait, wait. And like her mom didn't know. We like completely snuck out. And then we went to this, we went to, we went there and then, and then like had a way there because like we ordered the cab and went, but didn't have a way back. jesus take the wheel type shit we were walking down this like mile long block in baker like san bernardino trying to like get a cab and we saw our friend and her mom in the car and like literally knocked on the window like hey like you got us literally had the back seat empty and we're driving back to la and like we get back to la like 7 a.m or something or like and there's a marathon that stopped that stopped at Little Santa Monica. We couldn't get up Beverly. We could not get up Beverly Drive. We had to get out in our rave gear. I'm in a tank top. They're both in fishnets. We had to walk through Beverly Hills up to the Beverly Hills post office in that attire. Sneak in. Redress. Hop the fence. Redress. encounter her mom like rolling and be like hey girl how'd you sleep you know and like hey girl how'd you sleep like me like me i was always like am i all my friends parents face i'm like hey girl How are you? So that's a good strategy. If you always appear to be the person who's coming down off of ecstasy. Crazy. Then when you actually are coming down off of ecstasy. Yeah, no one notices. No one does. I'm always buckwalled with my show. I'm always like, hey girl, what's up? What's for breakfast? What's for breakfast? What are we doing? What's the vibe?

I need more orange juice. What we doing at 7 a.m. on Ecstasy is very cool. Where are we going for breakfast? We always go out for breakfast. Where are we ordering? What are you making? In seeing Euphoria, it actually has me pressed because I was really out in those streets. Driving drunk. We're a pro-drunk driving podcast. The time has changed, obviously, but we've all been through it. There was a certain time it had to be done. I keep talking about this. I want to make a television show because I know LA and the architecture of it. We already have Selling Sunset if you want to do a show about the architecture of LA. I think you should partner with them. They're pretty successful. It's not so literal. It's not about the architecture. It's about the fact that growing up. up without cabs in that city growing up without uber in that city like yeah being like i like was posted up at century city in middle school before it's like third facelift you know what i mean like this is pre-edaly listen it it's it's it's just it's i think look i like euphoria i think it's cool but it's so storied like i didn't even i didn't watch twin peaks like you can't i don't even know about that shit but i really do watch this show and i'm like oh like people really think that at like l like You want to do right by your LA. You want to create... Yeah, I understand. Okay, you, me, Chris, Jeremy O'Harris, we're in the writer's room. We'll get an eight ball and a suite at the Chateau Marmont. We'll write season one. We'll just do this, bro. It's no problem. I just want something to... remember i want people i want something for people to remember me by the stuff that i'm doing now let me show you my la in the movies like they'll be shooting shit in like mar vista and then you'll suddenly be in like like north hollywood and i'm like bro like what you have you have to that's something you have to as an la resident we all suffer from that but consider it to be a badge of honor of knowing like oh, that's downtown LA. That's not New York. That's true. You can't be in this neighborhood and this neighborhood because 99% of the people watching it have no idea. You and I have an attentive eye. We live in LA. You need just to relax, man. Just relax. That's just how the industry goes. You know what I mean? I know. I know. But no, but hey, hear me out. Hear me out. Okay. Well, also Emmanuel, we got to land this. This is where we're landing the plan. So let's be poignant. It's like people being from people while in here from Ohio. Like there are certain.

architects of the city who, like, you party with a certain person from North Hollywood or, like, Valley Oak or whatever, like, you really pop off with those people because they have different energy. Like, I think that that's, like, unexplored. Like, the people from downtown, the people from Westwood. I don't want the energy from downtown, but that's on you. I mean, yeah. To see somebody from Los Feliz Hills and Bel Air, they're grinding in different lanes, but where they intersect, oh, it's a beautiful thing. No, it's oil and water. I mean, listen, before I partied so hardcore on the West Side, before maybe 10th grade, it was like deep cut, like Brentwood, Pali, like Santa Monica, like Marina Del Rey. Marina Del Rey. Not Marina Del Rey. Or Playa Del Rey. Or Mar Vista, or Venice, or... Okay, now we're just naming different cities, but yeah. I'm scared for you. It was deep cut, but then in high school, it all went east side. Yeah, well, that's the shift. I mean, that was the general shift. Yeah. But it's just like New York. The neighborhoods that are cool and not cool are constantly in flux. Right now, Midtown is having a moment, which is something that we would never have thought. Everyone's trying to claim this. I'm like, just because people have been to Russian Samovar twice, miss me with that energy. Well, once you get older, you'll know that everything is cyclical. Santa Monica and Homebody Hills will be cool again one day. That's true. And then Silver Lake is taking a shit right now. That's just what it is. That's just what it is. And if you pay close attention to it, Emmanuel. then you could really start playing the real estate market and not just the magazine real estate market. Thank you for doing this podcast today. Emmanuel, thank you for coming, and we'll see you on Selling Sunset Season 4 on Netflix soon. Season 4. They can purchase a pinup wherever magazines are sold. They can purchase his chair on Essence.com, currently on sale. Actually, no. I thought my stuff was sold out on Essence, bro. Back it up. As of this morning, it was silly. available for me really no way i don't want to be that bitch but you know i have the receipts you check i have the receipts in my chrome history oh my god no okay but um i i am actually going to manifest this actually i'm thinking

succession. If Dasha can do it, the podcast... Congratulations to Elite Podcaster Dasha on her SAG award. We love that for her. I mean, the meme of her is insane. She never disappoints me. Emmanuel, thank you. Oh, sorry. There's only one chair remaining. One chair remaining. By the time this podcast goes up, I'm sure it'll be gone. It's gone. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you, King. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. It was a pleasure. Thank you, Emmanuel. Thank you. It was also recently Josh's birthday. She's a Pisces. If you really want to know how crazy the birthday is. Oh, I could tell. You don't think I know that? We'll talk to you later. Bye. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, King. Later. Later. Thanks.